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Lessons from a Fatal Shootout in a Crowded McDonald’s
« on: June 10, 2012, 08:25:20 AM »
Something to think about.
 
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Re: Lessons from a Fatal Shootout in a Crowded McDonald’s
« Reply #1 on: June 10, 2012, 09:15:40 AM »
Yes, interesting read...

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Re: Lessons from a Fatal Shootout in a Crowded McDonald’s
« Reply #2 on: June 10, 2012, 11:24:37 AM »
Good read, particularly some of the comments.
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Re: Lessons from a Fatal Shootout in a Crowded McDonald’s
« Reply #3 on: June 10, 2012, 12:05:24 PM »
Ouch. 11 shots in 2 seconds with only 1 miss? That guy had to be flying Adrenaline Airways.

It's just too bad the little girl got hit. I have to wonder who (if anyone) the parents blamed for those results, justified or not.

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Re: Lessons from a Fatal Shootout in a Crowded McDonald’s
« Reply #4 on: June 10, 2012, 12:58:35 PM »
Thanks for sharing this.  I hope the off-duty cop isn't still beating himself up over the little girl's death.

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Lessons from a Fatal Shootout in a Crowded McDonald’s
« Reply #5 on: June 10, 2012, 03:35:27 PM »
I disagree with his "message" but it's a good read that makes you think.

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Re: Lessons from a Fatal Shootout in a Crowded McDonald’s
« Reply #6 on: June 11, 2012, 07:50:43 AM »
Like to know more about this.  Perhaps read some of the news reports.  This story seems a bit "Hollywood" to me.  Kind of contains all the elements for a movie.  My BS meter is kind of tingling. 
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Re: Lessons from a Fatal Shootout in a Crowded McDonald’s
« Reply #7 on: June 11, 2012, 08:35:18 AM »
This comment from poster "Dave" is spot-on IMO, if you are not an LEO, your job is to get out safely and call the police, that Dirty Harry mindset some folks have, does nothing but get more people killed:


1) Carry your gun. Always, every time.

2) Carry spare ammo. As much of it as you can. Test every mag you carry. Practice with speed loaders.

3) Carry a spare gun, if you can.

4) Your spouse/partner/significant other should (hopefully) be trained and at least minimally skilled with your carry gun and backup.

5) As a non-LEO you are not a cop or security guard – you carry a gun to protect your life and the lives of your family. Your life and theirs are the first and only priority. Unless facing a direct and immediate threat to life or safety, do not attempt to prove you’re a better shot than the bad guy.

6) There may be more than one bad guy, and he/she may be posing as “just another customer.” Don’t tip your hand.

7) Never enter a walled or confined structure without establishing an exit plan, which may require being choosy about where you sit. In this case the LEO should have noticed the locked fire exit. If you cannot establish a good exit plan, leave. There are lots of restaurants.

8) Have a flashlight. If the lights go out you’ll need it to escape. Use it sparingly – a single light in a dark room attracts attention. And sometimes bullets.
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9) If the poop hits the fan, imitate the wallpaper (see #5) and look for a way to execute your escape plan.

10) Stay alert. In lines, blade away from the counter to monitor entrances/exits, shift position to monitor 360 degrees, use reflections (glass, etc.) to see around you, around corners, etc.

11) If something doesn’t look right, leave. Leave now. There are lots of restaurants and other stores to shop in.

12) Spouses, and children, once they become old enough to understand, should be trained to follow parent’s instructions without hesitation. When Mom or Dad says “we’re leaving right now” (use of an “emergency” code word is a useful addition) Johnny or Susie should get up and go with the parent without discussion. This needs to be a family training issue, and the younger the child the harder it will be.

13) Spouses should have non-verbal signals for emergency situations. This means they have to have implicit trust in each other; if the instruction is to “leave right now” and your partner says “But Johnny hasn’t finished his hamburger” that’s something you need to work on. That trust goes both ways – either one of you may have seen something warranting an immediate exit. If it turns out to be nothing you can always go back in.

14) Spouses/significant others/friends/children should be trained to not say things like “Dad, you’ve got a gun, why don’t you stop/shoot him?” It may be quite prudent to not let others (non-spouse, friends) know you’re carrying.
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Re: Lessons from a Fatal Shootout in a Crowded McDonald’s
« Reply #8 on: June 11, 2012, 09:03:58 AM »
#15 - Do "Cop rolls" when people are shooting at you. It worked for Sonny Crockett on Miami Vice.

Do a quick forward or sideways flip/roll on the floor and pop up and shoot. Guaranteed to work every time. I don't know why its not mandatory in CHL classes  :th_thicon_lol: :th_thicon_lol:

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Lessons from a Fatal Shootout in a Crowded McDonald’s
« Reply #9 on: June 11, 2012, 10:20:14 AM »
Lmao

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Re: Lessons from a Fatal Shootout in a Crowded McDonald’s
« Reply #10 on: June 11, 2012, 05:24:51 PM »
Good read, lots to think about. Sorry for the family of that girl.

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Re: Lessons from a Fatal Shootout in a Crowded McDonald’s
« Reply #11 on: June 13, 2012, 03:24:36 PM »
They went over this scenario in our CHL instructor class. Makes you think.
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Re: Lessons from a Fatal Shootout in a Crowded McDonald’s
« Reply #12 on: June 23, 2012, 09:01:16 AM »
Like to know more about this.  Perhaps read some of the news reports.  This story seems a bit "Hollywood" to me.  Kind of contains all the elements for a movie.  My BS meter is kind of tingling.

I'm glad I'm not the only one. Sounds a bit too "scripted" ... ES: "I began to scan the 360 to check." granted we all know what that means... it sounds a lot like Tony Dinozzo's "On your six" or "got your six"... terms an average person doesn't use and wouldn't be normally included in an news article.. maybe a book, movie or novel.

That's my opinion.

Good article though. 
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